{"id":12388,"date":"2024-01-17T08:54:55","date_gmt":"2024-01-17T03:24:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/tamizhini.in\/?p=12388"},"modified":"2024-01-17T08:55:17","modified_gmt":"2024-01-17T03:25:17","slug":"an-exclusive-interview-with-j-krishnamurti","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/tamizhini.in\/?p=12388","title":{"rendered":"An Exclusive Interview With J. Krishnamurti"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>This interview was taken for East West Journal by Catherine Ingram and Leonard Jacobs on July, 1983.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Even though one is still suffering, is it possible to help others who are suffering?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Why not? Though I may be suffering and you may be suffering, why not? That is one part of it. The other part is, is suffering to be ended through a long process of time, does it take evolution, is it a matter of progressive achievement? Is there such a thing as psychological evolution at all? We have evolved through millennia and we think we have reached a certain stage psychologically, and also physiologically. We have created this world, this society, with all its monstrosity and ugliness \u2013 the destruction of the environment, killing each other, perpetual wars for the last six or seven thousand years. And during this long period of time we haven\u2019t changed, we haven\u2019t stopped wars. So will further evolution of forty or fifty thousand years change us, when the forty thousand years before haven\u2019t?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>But now that we have massive worldwide communications, unique in history, do you think that a transformation of consciousness will emerge?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Through communications? Do you really think so?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>I mean, specifically using the media as a tool to raise consciousness. For instance, this film \u201cGandhi\u201d that has just won the Academy Award is basically about peace and about Gandhi\u2019s main message of non-violence.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> That\u2019s rubbish. Unless you go to the root of the matter you\u2019re merely scratching the surface.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>But perhaps people could be inspired by scratching the surface to then try to go to the root.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Inspiration only lasts for a very short while. Very few people ever affect the psyche. Very few. Gandhi is totally forgotten in India.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>There was an article that said that the Indians were very impressed by the movie, but were somewhat bemused by the non-violent aspect of it.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. He was a very violent man. They\u2019re trying to make a saint out of him as the only man who was helping India to be free, which isn\u2019t true. There were hundreds. Annie Besant was one. She worked for forty years helping the country to be free. She is never mentioned. It\u2019s all so lop-sided. \u2026So what is the question?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>The question is, if only a few people throughout history\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Can they affect the consciousness of man?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>\u2026because as you say there are many terrible wars, many terrible injustices throughout the world now; how can we change them?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good question\u2026 Do you really want to discuss all this?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>If you have time.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> I have time, but one has to be very serious to go into all this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>That\u2019s our personal work, as well as our professional concern \u2013 to influence society in any way we can.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> I don\u2019t believe in influence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>What is your motivation then? What motivates you?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Nothing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>But you\u2019ve been carrying on all these years.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> It\u2019s a long story. Suppose that you are enlightened and you\u2019re asking how will you affect the rest of humanity. There have been people like the Buddha who have not affected human consciousness. The Buddha never mentioned God, but people have created him into one and worshipped him. Has any person, however illumined, affected mankind? It\u2019s very doubtful. I\u2019m not being pessimistic \u2013 I\u2019m just looking at facts. When you look at facts you can\u2019t be optimistic or pessimistic, right?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Put the question the other way \u2013 is human consciousness all one, or separate? Do you understand? Is it individual consciousness, or consciousness of the entire humanity? My consciousness, or X consciousness, what is that? Or, what is the content of the consciousness \u2013 belief, faith? Ideologies? Conclusions? Concepts? Fear? Suffering, loneliness, anxiety? And constant struggle from morning to night till he dies, right? That\u2019s a fact. But the rest of humanity\u2019s consciousness whether they live in a small village or in one of these tall buildings, is similar to everybody else\u2019s. We all share the same consciousness \u2013 it can never be individual. The brain is not my brain. It has evolved through several millennia, but we have said, \u201cThis is my particular brain, my particular consciousness, my country, my god,\u201d and so on. So if one person stepped out of this way of thinking has it any value to the others, to the rest of mankind?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>It appears the Buddha did. He left a technique to practice awareness and his influence has been very great.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> He could not have left a technique. After his death his disciples probably gathered together and put up a scheme. Buddha couldn\u2019t possibly have said, \u201cSeek refuge in me.\u201d The systems came after he died. We think because he had attained some illumination, had suffered and gone through starvation, that we must also go through that in order to achieve what he achieved. And he might say, \u201cWell, that\u2019s all childish stuff. It has nothing to do with enlightenment.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Can one person who is illumined to put it in modern terms, free from all conditioning \u2013 affect the consciousness of all the rest of mankind? What do you think, impersonally, objectively, as you look at the world? Two thousand years of Christian propaganda, \u201cJesus is the savior,\u201d and the churches have burned people, tortured people, had hundreds of years of war in Europe. Christians have been one of the greatest killers in the world. I\u2019m not against nor for \u2013 I\u2019m just pointing out that this is the result of two thousand years of \u201cpeace on earth.\u201d It has no meaning, whether Jesus existed or not. So has all this propaganda, this programming of the brain, after two thousand years of repetition of the Mass day after day, affected man at all? Christ said, \u201cDon\u2019t hate your enemy, love your enemy.\u201d And everything we do is contrary to that. We don\u2019t care. So, what will affect man? What will change man who has been programmed, literally programmed like a computer, to worship Jesus, to worship Buddha, to worship other gods?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Can the mind free itself from all programs? Is it possible to be totally free of taking in information \u2013 what the newspapers say, what the magazines say, what the priests, psychologists and professors say? Education, propaganda on the television, the evangelists in America \u2013 that peculiar breed \u2013 are all telling me what to think and, increasingly, what to do. If I have a little quarrel with my wife I go to the specialists \u2013 the psychologists, psychotherapists. Dr. Speck or some professor tells me how to raise my children. I\u2019m becoming a slave to these specialists, my mind is conditioned and I\u2019m limited \u2013 conditioning implies limitation \u2013 I\u2019m in battle with everybody else for the rest of my days. And there\u2019s the future of man.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Then what\u2019s the point of it all?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Nothing! It has no meaning! What is the point of the Pope going to Poland, or all over South America? Is it a vast entertainment? Sustaining the faith? He says you must sustain faith, which means believe in Christ \u2013 which means do what we tell you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It\u2019s all so absurd! So what will you do, with the world pressing you all the time \u2013 they won\u2019t let you alone. I am, sorry, I won\u2019t accept any of it. Whether it is the Buddha, Christ, the Pope. Mr. Reagan telling me what to do \u2026sorry, I won\u2019t. This means that we have to be extraordinarily capable of standing alone. And nobody wish to do that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Do you think there is a truth?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Yes, but there is not my truth, your truth. And it has no path. There\u2019s no Christian path, Hindu path, Buddhist path, your path, my path. One must be free of all paths to find it. The Hindus have been very clever at this. They said there is the path of knowledge, the path of action, the path through devotion \u2013 this suits everybody.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>So you say to stand alone we find our truth.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> No. The word alone means all one. But people say, \u201cI can\u2019t do it alone, so please help me to put my house in order,\u201d and invent the guru \u2013 not a particular guru, but the whole idea of gurus. The world of so called religion, whether it is the religion of Hindu, Buddhists, Jews, Catholics, the whole structure of religious ceremonies, is put together by thought. Is it not? The mass was invented by man. They may say it came directly from heaven but that seems rather absurd \u2013 It\u2019s been invented by man. The ancient Egyptians had their ceremonies to shape man. It isn\u2019t something new, the worship of symbols and figures. The guru, the mantra, various forms of yoga which has been brought over to this unfortunate country, are all authorities leading you to meditate and all.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We have done it \u2013 we have tried Jesus, we have tried every form of person and idea, theory, system. They have not worked. So it\u2019s up to me to put my house in order \u2013 I cannot depend on anyone else. If you reject the church, the whole religious structure of the world, any kind of spiritual authority, you are free of it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Haven\u2019t these people and systems been inspiration to some?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> What is inspiration? To do something better \u2013 you answer it yourself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Isn\u2019t it to add to the potential of each human being?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Yes, but I am asleep.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Then it is to wake up.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Yes. And all the time I want entertainment to keep me awake. Man wants to be entertained, he wants to escape from himself at any price. This is a fact. The church has done it, and now sports \u2013 football, cricket, and so on \u2013 is a vast entertainment. I\u2019m bored, I\u2019m frustrated, I\u2019m weary, so I come to you and say, \u201cinspire me. For the moment you stimulate me. You act as a drug for the moment so I depend on you.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>You speak of freedom from something \u2013 from religion, from politics\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Freedom is in itself without any motive, not from or for, just freedom. For instance, I am not a Hindu \u2013 I am free from it. But that\u2019s not freedom, I am free from a particular form of prison but we create other prisons as we go along.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The point is, suppose you have understood and rejected, negated, all that and you want to help me. There is something unethical, if I may use the word, in trying to help me, right? Do you understand?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>I don\u2019t understand why.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> You are trying to help me, that\u2019s your path. But why do I want to be helped?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Because you might be suffering.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Suppose I\u2019ve lost my son, my wife has left me, I can\u2019t get the job I want. How are you going to help me? Why do I seek help? Why do I have this craving to go to somebody to ask help?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Sometimes it is helpful to meet someone who has gone through experience of suffering. They are an example.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> We are doing that now \u2013 and how far will you go with it?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Perhaps not the whole way, but it can be a comfort.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Then what\u2019s the point of it? You have gone so far and stopped. What\u2019s the point?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So, then I become an example \u2013 that\u2019s the worst thing. There have been many examples of all kinds of idiocies; so called \u201cheroes\u201d who have killed a thousand people in war, and saints who are half demented. Why then do you want help, to follow somebody, look up to somebody, why?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When there is some kind disease in me I go to the doctor. If I don\u2019t know the direction I ask help from a police officer, the postman is helping when he brings a letter. In the physiological world help is necessary; otherwise we couldn\u2019t exist, right? But I\u2019m asking myself, psychologically, inwardly, will anybody help me?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Man has suffered through time beyond measure, for millennia. What will help him to end that suffering? He goes on killing, he goes on murdering, he has ambition in everything \u2013 which is another form of killing \u2013 and what will stop him? Not Gandhi \u2013 his non-violence is really a form of violence. Non-violence is an idea, right? When man is violent and you give him a fact, then fact is violence and non-fact is non-violence. And you are dealing only with non-fact all the time. Why don\u2019t we deal with the fact, which is violence? Why do you put that picture of non-violence in front of me? I say deal with what is here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I\u2019ve had discussions with Gandhi\u2019s disciples, with his followers, endlessly about this matter. I said to them often, \u201cWe have had this war between India and Pakistan and you talked about non-violence. Were any of you conscientious objectors? Did any of you go to prison for peace?\u201d Not one of them. It meant absolutely nothing. So what is the point of non-violence? It\u2019s a jargon \u2013 an escape. I know, If I am violent, how to deal with this. But you are all the time dangling in front of me this non-violence, which is not real.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Do you think we will just keep going on like this \u2013 warring among ourselves for all of history?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> You\u2019re asking the same question in different words \u2013 what\u2019s the future of man. Unless we radically change, the future is what we are now. It\u2019s a serious fact. And nobody wants to change radically. They change a little bit here, a little there. If you want peace, you have to live peacefully. But nobody wants to live peacefully \u2013 neither the Pope, nor the prime minister, nor anybody. So they\u2019re keeping up the wars. I\u2019ve talked to a great many politicians in my life, a great many spiritual leaders, to gurus who come to see me \u2013 I don\u2019t know why \u2013 they never talked about ending conflict, which means finding out the cause of conflict. Never.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Let\u2019s say nationalism is one of the causes. They never talked about it. If the Pope said tonight that the church will excommunicate anybody who joins the army to do organized killing then tomorrow he wouldn\u2019t exist. They would throw him out. So he won\u2019t say, \u201cLet\u2019s talk about peace.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I\u2019m not cynical. I\u2019m just looking at facts. So, what will change man? Apparently nothing from outside \u2013 no church, no threats, no wars, nothing from outside. Change implies a great deal of inquiry, a great deal of search. Someone hasn\u2019t the time, so he says, \u201ctell me all about it quickly.\u201d But one must give one\u2019s life to this, not just play around with it. The monks think they have given their life but they have given their life to an idea, in a symbol, to somebody called Christ. The Hindus have their sannyasis, the Buddhists their bhikkus \u2013 it\u2019s the same phenomena.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>It appears that we are at a unique time in history.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Yes, but the crisis is not in the world out there. Rather it is inside us, in our consciousness. Which means that man has to change.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Has your teaching and your writing made a change?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> With some, perhaps. I\u2019m not looking to see if somebody\u2019s changed or not. It\u2019s like this: you give food to me and if I am hungry I\u2019ll take it. And if I\u2019m not, I look at it, smell it, say, \u201cit is very nice,\u201d and then wander off. Very few people are hungry for this kind of stuff. Buddha is supposed to have talked for forty years, and there were only two disciples who understood \u2013 Mogallana and Sariputra \u2013 and they had died before he did. There is the whole tragedy of existence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Do you feel that your teaching has made a deep impression.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Some have given up their jobs, have said, \u201cWe\u2019ll come to your schools.\u201d They are doing it because they are schools \u2013 not monasteries, not ashrams, but schools \u2013 where you get a degree course.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>So you feel that education is a place to really effect a change?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> If teachers were concerned, if education all over the world was concerned, to bring about a new generation they could do it. But they are not concerned. They want to stop the children with mathematics, biology, chemistry to make them become good engineers. Society wants good engineers \u2013 there\u2019s money in it. Educators have enormous responsibility because they hold the future. More than the parents. Educators must be concerned with the holistic view of life. I\u2019ve talked about it so much. We\u2019ve got a school in California, a school in England, and five schools in India, and I have spent a great deal of time in all of them. But the parents want their children to be like themselves \u2013 have a good job, get married, settle down. Society around them wants that. So it\u2019s a tremendous battle with the parents, with the teachers, with the society. It is a sick world.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>It seems as though there\u2019s as much physical sickness, like Cancer, as there is mental sickness.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> They\u2019re related to each other.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>When you meet someone who is sick physically what is your approach? Do you heal?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Yes, but please, I want to make this quite clear. Healing is not my profession, not my work. Let me rather say, if someone cannot be cured he\u2019s going to die. And death apparently is a horror to everybody. Whether diseased or healthy, death is something to be abominated. But death and life go together. You don\u2019t say, \u201cI\u2019ll keep death out there and life here.\u201d What matters is how you live before death, not after. Living is more important than dying. Living is \u2026ah, it\u2019s too complex.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Do you believe in rebirth?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> First of all, I don\u2019t believe in anything. Secondly, what is it that is going to be reborn? Say I have been suffering for ten years and I die. Now will I in my next life go on from where I left off? Is there individuality at all? Is there the ego \u2013 my ego, your ego, a spiritual essence, the atman? The highest principle?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Perhaps it\u2019s just a process.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> What is that? It\u2019s a process of thought. There is nothing sacred about thought, nor about the things that thought has created in the churches of the world. They worship it but it\u2019s not sacred. There is something absolutely sacred but you can\u2019t pick it up casually, you can\u2019t just believe. Do you understand? Men have searched for this in different ways and never found it, they have given their lives to it. It can\u2019t be found in an afternoon conversation or reading a book, in going to some fanciful meditation. If you don\u2019t find it what\u2019s the point of all this? One has to work on this for years to find out. It isn\u2019t a game that you just play. But people haven\u2019t the time so they worship the one who has something. Or they kill him. Both are same \u2013 whether they worship or kill, both are exactly the same.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Isn\u2019t there some possibility of transmission between individuals?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Now you are with somebody who is a little peaceful and who doesn\u2019t want a thing from you, and you feel quiet. But you have what? You have taken a drug for the time being and the moment you leave it will all go. It\u2019s so obvious.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>But if we are climbing some mountain and we\u2019ve come to see you because it seems that you are a few steps ahead\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> I don\u2019t believe in climbing. There is no climbing, no, \u201cI am this, I have become that.\u201d There is only this. Change this, that\u2019s all.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EWJ:<\/strong> <em>Why do you teach?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>K:<\/strong> Why does a flower bloom?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This interview was taken for East West Journal by Catherine Ingram and Leonard Jacobs on July, 1983. EWJ: Even though one is still suffering, is it possible to help others who are suffering? K: Why not? Though I may be suffering and you may be suffering, why not? That is one part of it. 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